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New studies on NDE’s and OBE’s show…nothing new. At all. Move along.

hi guys.

Im sorry about that, but today i’ll write about another highly scientific thing.

Basically, its about this:

http://www.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572%2814%2900739-4/abstract

If you dont wanna read it yourself, let me provide you a tldr version:

a group of researchers did a large-scale experiment where they did test cardiac arrest patients for near-death experiences(NDE) and out of body experiences(OBE). They did it in several hospitals in europa and america.

Well and they actually wanted to test something else too. They wanted to know if people that are actually experiencing a OBE could read a imagine that they put on the ceiling of the room where they wanted to put the patients. They made it the way that those patients did not know about those images – they could only see them when they where actually out of their body.

Well, results?

At first sight they’re basically pretty bad for the cause of OBE’s being real: Not a single patient could see the image at the ceiling. Well, how could that be? Materialists and all kinds of Atheists will say at that point that OBE’s are illusions of the brain, the results are not surprising because well, illusions cant fly out of your body.

But what did i tell you guys in some of my blog posts? You know, the stuff that most of you are usually skipping because its boring as fuck?

Be sceptical.

And thats what you actually need to be here too.

If you actually read the result text (shortform of it, its not the whole paper of the study) it goes like this:

“Among 2060 CA events, 140 survivors completed stage 1 interviews, while 101 of 140 patients completed stage 2 interviews. 46% had memories with 7 major cognitive themes: fear; animals/plants; bright light; violence/persecution; deja-vu; family; recalling events post-CA and 9% had NDEs, while 2% described awareness with explicit recall of ‘seeing’ and ‘hearing’ actual events related to their resuscitation. One had a verifiable period of conscious awareness during which time cerebral function was not expected.”

So, firstly you might wanna know that a lot of those 2060 actually died. So surely they cant describe aything at all anymore.

The others are pretty much that what you get when you are researching NDE’s. People experience things when they have a NDE, that was already known. And most people are experiencing similar things.

Well, if you read the text, theres nothing about these image-thingies, right? Does that mean they didnt research that? Nope, they did.

Of all those NDE-people 2 actually had an OBE. Not that many, huh? But well, those kind of things normally dont happen too often anyways. Both of those 2 didnt see the image on the ceiling. Why you might ask? Well, as much as i read theres a simple answer for that without any phylosophical gibberish.

The rooms of those 2 people that had OBE’s didnt have a image on the ceiling. Funny fact huh? And well, as i read most of those people with a NDE didnt have a image like that on their ceiling either. Question here is: Why? Wasnt that the whole point, to research that stuff?

Idk for sure since i wasnt there, but that seems sloppy to me. And well, its rather comical that those 2 who actually had a OBE didnt have a image in their room.

What does that actually mean then?

Well, despite a lot of newspapers claiming that the study found evidence for an afterlife: Nope, it did not. But at the same time, the study isnt evidence for the opposite either. It just doesnt tell us anything at all. The whole NDE stuff isnt new at all. We already knew that people could experience those things from other studies. And right, there was one really weird case in that study where a person actually was consciousness during a time where it was clinically not possible. This seems to be rather important for a lot of dualistic thinking people. But well, i already read that some people claim that that could be explained by the brain being perceptive while it is practially not working at all. I also read that this one person could also only be scientific noise and that he is just simply the result of an study error. And i also read stuff that this could also proof that the consciousness exists for atleast a few minutes after death – but it could still vanish afterwards. Well, but that stuff is just talk – pretty much the same as what im doing right here, right now. And well, from my viewpoint it wouldnt make sense to continue to be conscious for a few minutes longer after death, just to let it die after that. But thats just my own sense of logic.

Anyways, the conclusion of the research team is pretty much the same:

“CA survivors commonly experience a broad range of cognitive themes, with 2% exhibiting full awareness. This supports other recent studies that have indicated consciousness may be present despite clinically undetectable consciousness. This together with fearful experiences may contribute to PTSD and other cognitive deficits post CA.”

Btw, there’s also that weidly spread opinion that these experiences of those people are subjective; thus, they cant be taken seriously. But well, thats pretty much the case for everything that humans experience, right? We cant abandon our humanity to look at things objectively.

Well anyways, do what you want with that info(if you dont believe it, google a bit. quite a lot of people wrote about that), but dont let anyone tell you that this study proofs anything. It doesnt. Its not telling us anything new about NDE’s. Sure, the one case where a specific person was conscious during a phase where he normally should have been is quite interesting, but that one case isnt enough to draw any conclusions.

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